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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 20, 2007 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

it says in that news link that she didn't pay taxes..

www.thelawthatneverwas.com

There isn't a law stating we have to file a tax return :o

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Poster: BryanE Date: Aug 20, 2007 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

It also says she went to prison for not paying them.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Aug 20, 2007 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

That CNN picture looks like a drag queen Joker (from Batman) lol

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Aug 21, 2007 12:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

Maybe they will sell some Leona masks for Halloween in a few weeks. The drag queens can wear them at parties and have a gay old time.

"Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead"

- the 5th Estate

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Aug 20, 2007 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

Don't believe that one. I forgot to file for 2005 and I was actually getting money back for a change, they sent me a friggin notice like I was Al Capone or something, so I pinched them for $150 bucks and they sent it a week later! The conspiracists who go for the whole voluntary income tax thing are asking for unneeded problems, I knew a guy that was into that shit. Also had some weird right wing pseudo nazi newsletters that thinly veiled his modus operendi. Weird dude. Stay away from people like that.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 20, 2007 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

hmm..


either way is there really a law stating you must file one though?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 20, 2007 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

Not to be rude Max but just curious - at your young age do you thing you've gotten more out of services us people that pay taxes to support than you yourself have paid into yet?

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 20, 2007 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

i've paid $2400 dollars in taxes... my taxes seemed to have gone to these stone engravings placed every 100 feet on the Garden Grove freeway.... they're currently being tagged up by graffiti people..I don't know a single person in orange county that wanted them there.. and that's a modicum of the problems relating to taxes. Are you happy with how much tax is taken away from you in whatever bracket you're in? then largely going toward military and nasa (which are pretty intertwined if you look into it in the least)? I dunno man... you're right.. I am young. And I gotta stand up, somehow.. What do you look to for your facts or opinion? Media? Hitler used media to do what is going on now.. history repeats itself.. federal reserve? a private company? If you want, watch the third part of www.zeitgeistmovie.com ...I know it sounds stupid, and cynical.. but I challenge you!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A&mode=related&search=

(9 minute clip on banks.. it's an eye opener, it really is... it's not all negative and anarchaical and nasty like I probably make it sound, but something very important that is going on now)

edit: i dunno man. what do you have to say about things like the North American Union? www.spp.gov

this isn't bogus information... a complete new common currency, a new country with canada and mexico added?


ah.. i give up. i shouldn't talk about these kinds of things on here I guess

This post was modified by Max Chorak on 2007-08-20 19:37:49

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 20, 2007 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

Talk about whatever you want, I'm game.

A lot to respond to.

Am I happy with my tax rate? Being my location I'd be a fool to complain. Do I want my tax money going to support the Military industrial complex ( which is imo essentially big time billion dollar contractor and tax fraud ), of course not.

The truth is that the middle class is getting screwed the most out of the deal. IDEALLY I'd like to live in a society that invests in education and healthcare and other worthwhile social programs that benefit society. Of course that makes me a crazy liberal. Meanwhile the real sham is the subsidizing of Billion dollar corporations and the fact that multi-national corporations are getting away with hiding their money elsewhere to get out of paying. We're supposed to believe that the " free market" exists when in fact it's about as rigged as can be.

As for you paying that much - aren't you a student? If you owe 2400 AFTER deductions then you are either making good money for your age OR are doing something seriously wrong.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 20, 2007 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

nah $2400 is what i've payed in my life time :]


I don't know. It's obvious something is wrong.. I'm just afraid people'd judge me to be against government (in general)

and isn't it my generation that is supposed to be on top of things? consumed with media, we're forgetting to look at where our country is headed. mbna (mutual bank of northern america) being bushes #1 campaign supporter..and a year later he signs a bill making bankruptcy harder to file, making is so you can only claim it once, making it so you have to pay back money?

how about carl rove and him intertwining christianity with federal government? making it legal to fire gay gov workers? no gay rights?


faaaaaaaascism...

we live under a subtle fascism I believe.. and technological advances take out minds off things, and then the most nastiest part is media. The Elite are implementing strategies comparable to Hitler's.



http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 21, 2007 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

Hey Max,

I guess I've gotten a little more cynical the older I get. I used to be idealistic. Keep it up though. It's probably not a good thing to accept that things aren't going to change and the average person isn't smart enough to get involved

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 21, 2007 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

just clarifying, but when I used the word 'cynical' I meant the primary definition of it (chiefly motivated by selfishness)... I know it seems a bit rebellious, but I really feel something has got to be done. I really feel like we are headed down a dark road :] and from where I am at, (so cal) I feel like few people know of this.. That video may blatantly lie in a fiew areas, but it has an overall message, with some actually true facts it presents, and those facts are the ones that are changing america. like the north american union for example...it's really happening right now

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Poster: craven714 Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

If you want to know another side of taxes (actually the origin)-- Google: Freedom to Fascism and watch the 111 minute movie.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 20, 2007 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

yeah... taxes is a part of it. The way this debt system is worked out.. we are to never get out of it eh? then all the extreme nationalism...blaming something like communism or socialism..now it's labeled terrorism.. craven, do you live in southern california? the '714' deal is my area code here. (fat chances, right? ha).. have you see zeitgeist? what i like is the main message of the movie is to not believe everything you see, especially zeitgeist.. I think i said it before, but I researched what I didn't know in the flick, or that i thought was funky sounding. voila.. (voi la?) the answers were infront of me as soon as I looked

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Poster: craven714 Date: Aug 21, 2007 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

Hey thanx for the response. I have not seen Zeitgeist, but I will check it out soon. Watching stuff like Freedom to Fascism or something like Zeitgeist (I'm assuming) just ends up really frustrating me. You know? A government "for the people"---my ass. And there is no escape. Oh, and about the 714--that is a reference to Quaaludes (the roarer). Its been my good look number for years+years. I only wished I lived in SO CA. anyway...peace

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 20, 2007 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

I think it's in the federal government's benefit that we do feel fulfilled and secure in a myriad of ways, for a myriad of reasons

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 20, 2007 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead (but non-Dead---again)

I'm curious who exactly do you think this " federal government" entity is? I think it's obvious who owns and controls it